Amy
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Life Sentence...A life sentence is not actually a life sentence, but is about 14 years (i think, correct me if Im wrong).
Do you think it should actuallu be LIFE?!
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emmalouiseee
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I think rapists and peodaphiles should get life (actual life sentances) or be shot....
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Amy
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No I dont. I think 14years is enough. Everybody deserves another chance, and they can learn how to be a better person in prison, and 14 years in plenty!
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emmalouiseee
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| Amy wrote: | | No I dont. I think 14years is enough. Everybody deserves another chance, and they can learn how to be a better person in prison, and 14 years in plenty! |
Erm so if someone raped you or abused you as a child and ruined your life you dont think their lifes deserved to be ruined? why should they be able to walk around and lead a normal life!?  :
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Fizzy
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| emmalouiseee wrote: | | Amy wrote: | | No I dont. I think 14years is enough. Everybody deserves another chance, and they can learn how to be a better person in prison, and 14 years in plenty! |
Erm so if someone raped you or abused you as a child and ruined your life you dont think their lifes deserved to be ruined? why should they be able to walk around and lead a normal life!? : |
People who commit serious crimes should be locked up for life (meaning until they die), because it's for the benefit of the victim/s. As emmalouiseee said - if you are abused as a child or are the victim of rape then it ruins your life and to know that your abuser is walking around freely it would certainly not help you even begin to recover from what you've gone through.
I think life imprisonment should be applied to child abusers, rapists (the people who set out to rape someone, not the culprits of drunken misunderstandings), and murderers. I don't think people who commit manslauter should get life, but I think they should be put away for a good number of years.
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Amy
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But they wouldn't. 14 years in prison pretty much ruins your life anyway. As I said, second chances are allowed. I think if you have had a life sentence before, and you comitt a crime bad enough to get you life for the second time, THEN it should be until you die!
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emmalouiseee
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| Amy wrote: | | But they wouldn't. 14 years in prison pretty much ruins your life anyway. As I said, second chances are allowed. I think if you have had a life sentence before, and you comitt a crime bad enough to get you life for the second time, THEN it should be until you die! |
Erm 14 years is nothing...
I know people who are/have been in jail and they love it in there! They get drugs, make money, watch tv, go to the gym etc!
Rapists and peodafiles SHOULD be locked away for life! Amy if someone done it to YOU would you want them walking the streets even in 14 years when they will probibly do it again??
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | | But they wouldn't. 14 years in prison pretty much ruins your life anyway. As I said, second chances are allowed. I think if you have had a life sentence before, and you comitt a crime bad enough to get you life for the second time, THEN it should be until you die! |
With child abusers though, they're never going to change because being sexually attracted to children is their sexuality. It's just like locking up a gay person in the hope they'll change into a straight person - it just won't happen because they're born with those sexual intentions. Child abusers will always be a risk to children.
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Amy
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Yeah. You say they are born with it in them.
Well in that case, it is not their fault - technically. They can not help it - as wrong as it is.
So they should not be jailed, but taken somewhere else maybe?
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | Yeah. You say they are born with it in them.
Well in that case, it is not their fault - technically. They can not help it - as wrong as it is.
So they should not be jailed, but taken somewhere else maybe? |
Yeah I think mental institutions might be better places for paedophiles. High security mental institutions.
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Amy
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If you say so! :P
But I still think LIFE is too long a sentence. Maybe over 14 years, but not all their life!
People DO change once they have been prisoned!
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emmalouiseee
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| Amy wrote: | Yeah. You say they are born with it in them.
Well in that case, it is not their fault - technically. They can not help it - as wrong as it is.
So they should not be jailed, but taken somewhere else maybe? |
Its not their fault! :shock: Are you mad? they are evil sick Word Banned who want shooting! yes the want taking somewere else off a Word Banned cliff!! :
And are rapists born with that in them? i dont think so! they are sick what their things chopping off! :
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | If you say so! :P
But I still think LIFE is too long a sentence. Maybe over 14 years, but not all their life!
People DO change once they have been prisoned! |
Mass murderers though, such as the likes of the Moors murderers, definately deserved to be put away until they died. Society needs to be protected from people like that. And anyway, if you kill more than once you've given yourself the chance to not do it again after the first murder.
I didn't say rapists were born with the intention to rape by the way emmalouiseee, I only said paedophiles were probably born with that intention in them just like gay people are born with gay intentions and straight people are born with straight intentions. That's my view of it anyway.
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Amy
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Yes I agree with you with Mass murders and one-time rapists and that, but if they have only done it once, I believe LIFE is not the answer.
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emmalouiseee
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| Amy wrote: | | Yes I agree with you with Mass murders and one-time rapists and that, but if they have only done it once, I believe LIFE is not the answer. |
Your a nutter!!!!!!! : :
Oh posted your stuff today aswell
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | | Yes I agree with you with Mass murders and one-time rapists and that, but if they have only done it once, I believe LIFE is not the answer. |
Surely though, if they take a life then they should be punished by loosing their life - through life imprisonment.
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Amy
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No, not really. Well in some cases yes, it all depends doesnt it!
But in NO way should they be killed!
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Amy
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No, not really. Well in some cases yes, it all depends doesnt it!
But in NO way should they be killed!
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | No, not really. Well in some cases yes, it all depends doesnt it!
But in NO way should they be killed! |
Yeah I agree - I personally don't believe the death sentence is ever right under any circumstances. Why punish someone with the same crime they committed? It just doesn't make sense.
Remember there's two types of killing someone - murder (deliberate) and manslauter (accidental) so each type of crime would obviously be treated in different ways. I think people who commit manslauter should perhaps get a second chance, but never murderers.
I do have sympathy though for victims of domestic abuse who eventually loose it and murder their abuser. I think they file that under 'diminished responsibility'.
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emmalouiseee
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Yes they should! and it doesnt depend as its as bad in all cases!
Ok... Your walking doen the street and some man grabs you pins you down and rapes you...
Would you just get up and think 'Oh well wonder whats for tea?' NO!
OR
Your only a child or even your own child, little bro or sis gets raped by some dirty old pedophile.. would you think 'Hmm poor man, oh well at least raping them might have cheered him up for a while' NO
IT WOULD RUIN YOUR LIFE!
WOULD YOU WANT THAT MAN OUT IN 14 YEARS TO DO IT AGAIN TO SOMEONE ELSE? :
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stevengerrard08
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a life sentance should mean life, or simply lose the expression life sentance as it is purley misleading :? :? :?
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Amy
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Ok who voted for no in the poll like me because I dont seem to have anybody here helping me back up my arguement! HELP!
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Fizzy
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People who commit crimes that are horrific enough to be punished with a 'life sentence' will have bizarre mental problems - I mean no one with a normal mindset would murder e.g. 5 girls in a row like the Suffolk case, or bomb the underground like July 7th etc etc. Because of this, they are therefore likely to react unpredictably when they're released from prison after doing their time. They might want to seek revenge on 1) their victim(s) family and 2) the jury that put them away for the 14 years or however long too. It's highly dangerous to let somebody out back into the public mainstream after they have committed a serious crime - they are likely to still have the mental problems they had when they committed their crime(s). As a compromise, people who commit serious/horrific crimes should spend a long period of time in jail, and then the rest of their lives in a high security mental institution or vice versa.
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gfhg
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as soon as they serve this 14 years sentance there just going to come out of prison and do it again it should be life
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Fizzy
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Society needs to be protected from dangerous people. Your conscience gives you a chance to do the right thing before you carry out an action, and I think that's the only chance a person capable of committing the most serious crimes should be given.
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gfhg
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i agree well arent people let out early somtimes for being good inside prison
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Amy
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I think so.
So that proves they CAN change, or at least act well!
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Mike
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I think 14 years is long enough, and people who have commited such crimes should be let out. If they've done it twice, then they should be kept inside for a long time.
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us2
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I'm not sure about this one. A lot of people sentenced to life are released then re-offend. That wouldn't happen if life meant life. Others are released and never re-offend. I think that a life sentence should have the condition where if you re-offend then you are put back in jail for life, meaning life.
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Qwerty
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Im not sure on this one either, It really depends on the whole case.
Example: What if a 10 year old killed two other kids? What sentence would you give?
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Fizzy
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| us2 wrote: | | I think that a life sentence should have the condition where if you re-offend then you are put back in jail for life, meaning life. |
But why give them the opportunity to reoffend by letting them out? Why put the rest of society at risk in order to determine whether an individual should go back in prison or not... :?
| Qwerty wrote: | | Example: What if a 10 year old killed two other kids? What sentence would you give? |
There was quite a high profile case several years ago where two ten year old boys murdered a 2 year old boy called James Bulger who they'd kidnapped whilst in a supermarket. They tortured him then threw him on the railway track to die. The boys who did it are now adults but I can't quite remember what the outcome of the case was, I don't know whether they've done time in a youth offenders prison and been let out already or what... If anyone remembers please say.
There was also the Damilola Taylor case, again from several years ago, where a young boy (Damilola) was stabbed to death with a broken bottle by a group of teenagers. Only last October was a verdict reached - the youths responsible were sentenced to 8 years youth custody for his manslaughter.
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Mike
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They got relocated and they started a complete new life, name changes and everything.
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Fizzy
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| Mike wrote: | | They got relocated and they started a complete new life, name changes and everything. |
Were they jailed at all?
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Qwerty
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That was the case i was referring to!
They were originally sentenced to detention at “Her Majesty's pleasure” and were not to be released for at least 20 years. After sentencing, the boys were housed in separate secret locations somewhere in the north of England and were expected to stay there until they turned eighteen when they would be transferred to an adult facility to serve out their time. However, when the European Court of Human Rights decreed in December 1999 that the boys had not received a fair trial and awarded costs and expenses of £15,000 to Robert and £29,000 to Jon. The boys are now teenagers, serving their sentences in their familiar secure units.
So they got paid, Justice or what?
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Fizzy
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| Qwerty wrote: | That was the case i was referring to!
They were originally sentenced to detention at “Her Majesty's pleasure” and were not to be released for at least 20 years. After sentencing, the boys were housed in separate secret locations somewhere in the north of England and were expected to stay there until they turned eighteen when they would be transferred to an adult facility to serve out their time. However, when the European Court of Human Rights decreed in December 1999 that the boys had not received a fair trial and awarded costs and expenses of £15,000 to Robert and £29,000 to Jon. The boys are now teenagers, serving their sentences in their familiar secure units.
So they got paid, Justice or what? |
Omg I never knew they got paid expenses because of a supposedly unfair trial :x That's disgusting, I don't see that as moral at all. Who cares if they didn't receive a 'fair' trial - what's most importantly not fair is that a little boy lost his life and a mother lost her son.
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.Jordan.
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I think it depends really. If somebody has commited murder they should be locked away for ever or even have the death sentence, but for other things, 14 years is long enough. Alot of people change after a second chance.
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gfhg
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well sometimes they do go the same crime that the did
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stevengerrard08
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they should have parole and use it, untill they reoffend then they should take away the right to a parole hearing of anyone who commits the same offence twice, certain crimes like say murder/rape/child abusers should never get parole at all, and they should stop refering to the 15 years prison sentance as LIFE as it simply does not mean life i think. :? :? :?
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tigger462
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y even give them the chance to re-offend!!!! seriously...life shud mean life...ooo theyve killed sum1...lets release them so they can destory another family wot a gd idea...wot if it was yr family or friend...NO life shud mean life
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Amy
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Whi is nobody listening to me?
People DO change in prison! It CAN happen!
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Mr.Eko
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| Amy wrote: | Whi is nobody listening to me?
People DO change in prison! It CAN happen! |
Doubt It.
Would You Like To See People Who Are Murderers,Drug Dealers And Con Artists Giving Freedom After 14 Years?
You Sound Like You Know Someone In Prison Who Has Murdered Someone And You Are Debating That Instead Of Life For Them It Should Be Only 14 Years!
Also Have You Been In Prison?
How Do You Know They Change?
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Amy
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I know this because many have been to my school to talk to this during our P.S.E lessons!
Ok maybe a bit longer that 14 years, I agree, but say you are 18? You could be in there for like 50 years! Also, you could actually have been faulsly accused but never actually found out innocent - this does happen.
And think of how full all the prisons would get if life actually was LIFE!
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Mr.Eko
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Well It Is A Rare Case That People Actually Do Get Life But I Think We Should Bring Back "Hanging" Or The "Electric Chair" Like In America.
And If You Have Life In Prison In America You Really Do Have Life In Prison No Exceptions.
America Lead By Example With Thier Strict Policies And Rules.
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Amy
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NO we can NOT bring back execution and Death Row etc.
People get faulsly accused all the time in this country and are jailed. When they are found to be innocent, they are just released and maybe get compensation.
Say they are faulsy accused, then killed, then found innocent? What is supposed to happen, bring them back to life? NO!
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Fizzy
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| tigger462 wrote: | | y even give them the chance to re-offend!!!! seriously...life shud mean life...ooo theyve killed sum1...lets release them so they can destory another family wot a gd idea...wot if it was yr family or friend...NO life shud mean life |
My thoughts exactly.
| Joe wrote: | Well It Is A Rare Case That People Actually Do Get Life But I Think We Should Bring Back "Hanging" Or The "Electric Chair" Like In America.
And If You Have Life In Prison In America You Really Do Have Life In Prison No Exceptions. |
Yeah I agree with America's way of actually putting people in prison for LIFE. The punishment received fits the name like it should do. I totally disagree with the death sentence though - it just seems wrong in my head for someone to be punished with the same thing they committed (if they're a murderer, you're also kinda murdering them by giving them the death sentence). It's kinda hypocritical.
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Amy
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Thank you Flizzypop, the Death Sentence is just wrong!
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Mr.Eko
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I Mean People Who Have Commited Loads Of Murders E.G Ian Huntley,Harold Shipman.
This Country Is Terrible With Sentences And The Only Way To Crackdown With Some People To Think Twice Before Murdering Or Drug Dealing Is To Bring Back Death Penelties.
Anyway 99% Of People In Prisons Are Horrible People And I Dont Know Why You Are Sticking Up For Them So Much. :?
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Fizzy
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I still don't think the death sentence is the answer for mass murderers. Of course the likes of the Moors Murderers, Harold Shipman, the recent Suffolk murderer are all evil people....but I just don't think it's right for a country to be able to simply remove any person from society through the death penalty. I just see it as totally hypocritical, and it doesn't really set a good example for the public. I'm not a terribly religious person, but in the Bible one of the Ten Commandments is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', so the law courts in a supposedly dominantly Christian society would be going against the word of God by giving out death sentences :? It doesn't make sense to me.
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Amy
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If you kill the murderers then YOU are a murderer.
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Fizzy
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| Amy wrote: | | If you kill the murderers then YOU are a murderer. |
In short, that was what I was implying yeah.
I think the only time that killing people can be accepted is when trying to protect your country in a just war. By just war, I mean it must be a war where all the precepts of Just War are followed i.e. 'No civillians killed' etc. If you've done GCSE Religious Education you'll know what a Just War is probably... I still don't personally like the idea of any war however, but lets face it, world peace is never going to happen.
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Mr.Eko
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| Amy wrote: | | If you kill the murderers then YOU are a murderer. |
Are You A Murderer Or Something?
Because The Way You Are Speaking Sounds Like You Think Murderers Deserve To Be Free Even Though They Are Evil People :?
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emmalouiseee
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Life should deffo mean life! 14 years and they'll only probibly do half of that and get out on tag.. not fair! if your locked up for murder or something serious you should have to stay in jail!
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Lax
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a life sentance is 25 years
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Mr.Eko
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| Lax wrote: | | a life sentance is 25 years |
Sums Up How Pathetic Britain Are On Sentences
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Amy
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| Lax wrote: | | a life sentance is 25 years |
Is it?
Well it USED to be 14! :P
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.Jordan.
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I think a life sentence should actually mean a life sentence. 25 years isnt 'for life' is it :roll: If somebody gets a life sentence in jail, they should stay there for life, just like the name suggests.
Alright they may change after a second chance, but they shouldnt have been bad enough to be put in jail in the first place.
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New
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Well if there did somethinf really bad they should be lockled up for life
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Mike
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Some people do change in Prison, you need to start watching stuff like Prison Break and Bad Girls!
And how would you feel if you was set up, and got the death penalty or life, as in life in prison?
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New
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i would be quite sad but i would never do anythin like that
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Amy
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| Mike wrote: | Some people do change in Prison, you need to start watching stuff like Prison Break and Bad Girls!
And how would you feel if you was set up, and got the death penalty or life, as in life in prison? |
That's exactly what I have been trying to say! Thank you!
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.Jordan.
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Although some people do change, I still think they should stay there for life (if they are a murderer or something). If they want to be free, then why did they commit the crime in the first place?
But if you got a life sentence in jail and it wasnt your own fault, then something should be done about it.
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SwapitSam
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Yeah I'm glad there is no electric chair or hanging or death sentences anymore, you cannot justify it by murdering a murderer, however bad it is.
Just have jail for life, and actually for life, not just 25 years. And yeah, you say some people change, but most don't. I mean, say someone murdered your sister, then they were let out after a few years because they thought they had changed, would you be happy? Especially if they went and did it again.
The good thing with life in prison, is while you are in there, the investigation can continue anyway. With things like DNA and that, its easier than before to solve crimes. However if you just killed them, then new evidence came along, they can't do anything.
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Amy
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They should be let out at the end of their sentence if thet HAVE changed, but they should be tagged and/or monitored!
If they have not changed their sentence should be renewed after a further trial!
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Mr.Eko
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Life = Life
20 Years = 20 Years
Etc
For Example You Should Serve Your Sentence And Judged On Your Behaviour In Prison You Should Be Let Out Or Serve More Years.
In Terms Of Life If You Have Commited A Murder Or Dealing Drugs Etc Yeah Life In Prison But Anything Else You Get Life For .Maybe You Should Serve 45 Years Then Judging On Your Behaviour Be Let Out Or Serve Life.
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New
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Well some people do change but how can we make sure that they chaged that the question
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emmalouiseee
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It doesnt matter if a murder changes! They have killed someone! So what if they change the person they killed is dead so the murderer shouldnt get to life a nice life!
People to be shot:
Murderers
Peodafiles
Rapists
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Amy
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NO THEY SHOULD NOT BE SHOT!
Killing is wrong, as you said, so why kill again?
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New
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emmalouiseee i think so as well apart fom
Peodafiles
Rapists
just the murders thats all the rest well in prision for a few years
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emmalouiseee
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No if you rape someone or do stuff to a little kid it is sick! and youve ruined that persons ife so why should you have one?!
Also amy yer killings wrong but if someone kills someone they should be killed! or locled up for life!
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New
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yes it is sick but really i wonder how old do you have to be to get raped and what do they do i have a slight picture but ot qui suire
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Fizzy
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| AMAZING_SWAPS wrote: | | yes it is sick but really i wonder how old do you have to be to get raped and what do they do i have a slight picture but ot qui suire |
It's when someone forces sex upon someone who isn't willing.
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emmalouiseee
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| flizzypop wrote: | | AMAZING_SWAPS wrote: | | yes it is sick but really i wonder how old do you have to be to get raped and what do they do i have a slight picture but ot qui suire |
It's when someone forces sex upon someone who isn't willing. |
yer you can be any age for it to happen...
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Fizzy
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| emmalouiseee wrote: | | flizzypop wrote: | | AMAZING_SWAPS wrote: | | yes it is sick but really i wonder how old do you have to be to get raped and what do they do i have a slight picture but ot qui suire |
It's when someone forces sex upon someone who isn't willing. |
yer you can be any age for it to happen... |
If you're under 16 though it's also called child abuse.
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Mr.Eko
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| emmalouiseee wrote: | It doesnt matter if a murder changes! They have killed someone! So what if they change the person they killed is dead so the murderer shouldnt get to life a nice life!
People to be shot:
Murderers
Peodafiles
Rapists |
Couldnt Agree With You More.
Total Sense And What I Have Been Trying To Say For A While Now.
:thumbup:
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Amy
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Why will people not listen to me (sorry for those WHO do listen!)
Shooting, or any other form of killing, is not on! You might as well eat your own words if you say killers etc should be killed!
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Mr.Eko
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Killers Are Mostly Horrible People And There No Longer Deserve To Live!
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emmalouiseee
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yes exactly! amy your not listning!
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Amy
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No Im listening, Im just trying to stress my point!
You want to kill somebody who has killed yeah? Well then you are killing, so you would then be killed!
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emmalouiseee
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well if not killing locked up for life (actual life)!! what ive been saying!
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Fizzy
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Yeah I agree with them being locked up for life, people who have committed serious crimes anyway.
I don't agree with killing people though as a punishment. Life imprisonment will kill them emotionally anyway - it must have a huge impact on the mind being locked away for so long.
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stevengerrard08
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yep definatly life should mean life, and i dont agree with the death sentance simply because people could be killed and then say a year later further evidence is found that proves them innocent, but its too late as the person would be dead already.
which is why the death sentance was scrapped in the first place.
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Yxz
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I voted Yes. People shouldnt be given a second chance. They know the laws..
And also I dont think people should be killed if they do something bad, its just giving them an easy escape, they should be left to suffer in prison! Lol.
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Amy
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Ooh HARSH!
Ok you have been accused of killing somebody, but you did not actually do it. Realistically, you are an all-round good person, but you have been framed.
You serve your unneccessary 'life' sentance, and you have behaved perfectly in Prison, but you are not allowed out, you have to stay in for longer, for LIFE!
Seriously, put yourself in that position, it's not nice!
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Mr.Eko
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Framing Isnt Very Common Though
People Dont Go To Prison Everday For It!
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Amy
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No, but it can happen, that's why LIFE is not always the best.
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Fizzy
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This whole debate about prison sentences is entirely relative to the situation. There are so many different factors to take into account when charging a person with an offence, that it's hard to have an absolute.
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Amy
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Ok I think you have just summed up what EVERYBODY is trying to say! The answer to this debate: DONT COMMIT A CRIME!
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.Jordan.
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| Amy wrote: | | Ok I think you have just summed up what EVERYBODY is trying to say! The answer to this debate: DONT COMMIT A CRIME! |
Exactly, if you dont want to go in prision, dont commit a crime. Simple as that 
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Amy
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Thank you!
Glad you agree!
A world of peace is what we need!
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